nice to hear from you. have you already asked for internet connections? maybe i've missed it... ;-) and how do you want to reach the people who don't visit the site because it's too "hightech" for their connection? you might talk to "well connected" people only...

sorry for not making a proposal how to solve the problem. no idea. should have been a topic for the incm. keep trying this way and let's keep it in mind for the next meeting. if you don't change the site before.

what about argentina?

flo_switzerland

johannes and i are thinking about making some changes on this site. the challenge is to make a low-tech site (accessable for everybody/ everywhere) that is also nice (so there is no room for heavy graphics). to know your needs i ask you again to take part in the voting started few month ago. you must be loged in to vote, one user one vote: thx, mark0

i happened to come across an alternative EASA website, which looks the same, but does not mainly focus on architecture? Is this the real EASA spirit unleashed? check out here

PS: The icons do not work so well, but the weblog seems address very different topics...

EASA community:

I think it will be a good idea if the webmaster of this site (Marko JP) just deletes all the postings that are not related to EASA. It will prevent useless discussion on (stupid) matters, which are taking away any possibilities for communication on real EASA matters. Also I think postings that are unfounded (that is without any arguments) should be deleted for the same reason.

I think we should not want the EASA weblog appear as a waste bin of fanatic unfounded propaganda, or as a webspace for irrelevant discussions, as it is distracting and confusing for ourselves and for visitors interested in EASA.

Jelk

i hope you like the face-lifting i made. if not please tell me. i tried to make it easier to get an overview of the frontpage. as i cant check it on all platforms and browsers please tell me any troubles or strange things you notice.

furthermore i'd like to ask you

your participation helps me to optimize the site.

thx, mark0

we made it ;)

Introduction: First of all I want to express my feelings of unhappiness concerning this disgracing situation. This situation makes me feel like I ended up in some childish fight, as if we are in early stages of puberty. Although I have been trying to solve this issue with Marko in a personal way, there has not been any response from him, neither has he undertaken actions to undo the political statements he is making according to his own personal opinion, not supported by any democratic EASA decision. With Marko’s mass mailings this issue seems to be turning into an embarrassing “public fight”. With this EASA is being harmed as well as the issue seems to be(come) a personal matter. I therefore want to ask Marko again to take his responsibility as webmaster and remove the anti-war propaganda from the EASA website and any part of this. For personal fights my mailbox is available. I do not have the intention to write any more sad public e-mails about this.

Description of events: Marko has made an anti-war page which he uses as front page of the EASA site. After reminding Marko for at least 3 times about the political load of this page, he did neither react nor took any action. I therefore changed the redirect of the domain to the proper EASA starting page. Within a short time Marko changed this several times to make sure his anti war “splash screen” was the start site of our official EASA website. I made a temporary page redirecting to all the necessary pages and copied the EASA website to my personal server, without any changes or propaganda. While I was doing this I went out to have dinner, as I had a “dinner date”. Within one hour, directly after coming back, I finished the website and redirected the www.easa.tk site to the old version of the page, which is an exact copy of Marko’s site, although his personal “no war” opinions/additives are being left out.

As some of you might now me better you will understand I have never been avoiding any discussion with Marko, although Marko seems to try to do this himself towards me. I do not understand what makes it necessary for Marko to not reply to my mails but use the nc group and the weblog for this in which he accuses me of all kinds of things, while he abuses his control of the content of the website.

About the “no war” principle: I find the “no war” statement inconsistent in the way there is no protest against terrorism, dictatorships, human rights violations, suppression of human beings, genocides, sexual abuse, (AIDS) epidemics, hunger. These are major problems, never noticed, never worried about, but with the intervention of US/UK/DK/etc coalition forces in a terrible situation in Iraq from over the whole world is being protested against war because people will die. From this point of view the accuse towards the US is shortsighted anti-intellectual and superficial.

I am aware of the interest in the EASA community concerning the idea to make the world a better place, and I applaud and embrace the intentions. I have the hope myself to contribute to this. Since some weeks the official Easa website has been transformed to a platform for anti-war propaganda, mainly as a reaction to the recent outbreak of the Second Gulf War. As you might have noticed I have not been complaining on this, although I doubt if this is the right place to discuss this question. I enjoy and respect the right to give personal opinions on things and I never tried to prevent this in any way, nor do I have the intentions do do so, as people who know me might know. In my opinion especially the (dis)similarities between different viewpoints help getting a grip on discussions. Even I find the discussion dominated by one single point of view which is hard to prove, I find it an interesting discussion. I must say for my self I am not able to take a stand before or against anything in this situation, since the question is very complex and the total of information necessary to make a valuable judgment is not easy to find. I therefore reject the statement “war is no solution” as much too superficial, as long as it is based on the idea that people die in the war. Looking from this point of view we should have been demonstrating against the allied forces in 1945 liberating us from the Nazi Regime.

I hope this illustrates my point.

Dear Friends,

I feel the need to react on Marko’s accuses. I appologize for the inconvenience that this absurd and childish communication brings to you. Please, Marko I ask you: if you have any complaints, ideas, messages, comments, suggestions, reactions, than please react to the personal e-mails I have send to you or send me a personal mail, icq or msn message. I am in all your contact lists and for e-mail you can use the following e-mail address: makelovenowar@jelkkruk.com, do not spam the weblog with this crap.

Reaction on Marko: Recent actions on the EASA website are an infringement of the main character of EASA, which seems to be inflicted by a minority of the EASA community (Marko Jell-Paradeiser, who is in control of the information provided on the website). This discussion primarily concerns Marko’s political no-war statement that replaced the original EASA frontpage www.jell-paradeiser.at. Seen the importance we as EASA community award to proper communication, I believe my actions to restore the original political neutral website are justified.

The main reason for my actions is NOT that the statements made might have a shortsighted, dogmatic, anti-intellectual or inconsistent character BUT is based on what is stated in article 1 of the EASA guide “Easa is not an established organization (1) but a non-political and non-profit network (2)...”. With implies that we can not (1) and will not (2) make official EASA opinions on political or other issues. Probably we are able to find a majority for some stand, but the EASA website is not maintained for this purpose, and should not be abused for this purpose. If any statement should be made about anything which does not regard EASA itself it should be resolved in the INCM or any other official meeting. In my opinion that also includes possible future “anti-dictatorship pages", “weblogs against hunger”, statements against “bad weather” or protests against “bad hairdays”.

Sincerely yours,

Jelk ;-)

PS: The website www.easa.tk indeed shows the beautiful official website designed by Marko and friends, including a link to the weblog, excluding the frontpage with anti-war propaganda. The weblog contains the dynamic content (which can be changed by Marko) the static content is stored on a different server, which is not different to the situation before. As I have the responsibility to maintain the domain name www.easa.tk I see it as my duty to make sure it redirects to the right page and not to some spontaneous personal opinion on whatever from whomever. This was impossible since Marko changed the site several times to make his antiwar stuff to come up. I made a more stable copy of the site that would not change any hour and placed this on a server. And yes, however I find this of minor importance, the absurd “weblog against war” symbol, should in my opinion be removed too. How can you make an open platform for discussion if what is “right” is advocated by the platform itself? Anyway: I will be happy to redirect the domain to the original server of Marko’s father if the original political neutral site has been restored. If this will not be the case I will refrain from action until a “democratic decision” has been made concerning this topic on the next NC meeting. I am looking forward to a peaceful solution.