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A little piece of magic; toward a truly participative architecture |
| posted by duncan on Wednesday, 6. December 2006, 12:17 in topic: whats going on |
ola amigos
im writing to you from a very special place in a very special time; new MAKABRA @ Can Ricart, Pueble Nou, Barcelona
after a profoundly creative, artistic, political, architectural act has combined to create a point in time which i believe has sparked the beginnings of a truly participative architecture to emerge and a space has been (illegaly) created to facilitate the dialogue and space for that dialogue to lead to an actual built reality. In fact that reality is being constructed and built as i write to you.
Makabra ( www.lamakabra.org ) have just produced a little bit of magic, entering and occupying the old Can Ricart factory ( www.salvemcanricart.org )in the Pouble Nou Barrio of Barcelona, where 70 years ago the CNT trucks left from to attempt to build a better world ( struggle.ws ). Now its Makabra´s turn to add to the unfolding story of creativity, passion and the love of life. In Barcelonas newspapers this has been front page news since Saturday.
Their struggle also has has the support of the UN commisioner for housing, Miloon Kothari, who said "I think your struggle is just, what your doing is correct, I´d just request you to be peaceful.... and keep performing." ( barcelona.indymedia.org )
Viva Makabra
Weaving together many strands of life here in Barcelona (community, squat, circus, political, media, humour, history, story telling) they now have a lovley new home and complete support from the ever helpful neighbours. Their struggle also has has the support of the UN commisioner for housing, Miloon Kothari, who said "I think your struggle is just, what your doing is correct, I´d just request you to be peaceful.... and keep performing." ( barcelona.indymedia.org )
This the culmination of what has for me personally been a profound but amazing quarter year architectural journey or battle, from heading to the architecutural bienalle in Venice to "confront" the architectural world (see Cities, radical urbanism, sqatting, social centres - radio.indymedia.org ) to meeting with my old friends from France and living with them in the french Pavillion, METAVILLA (
Onboard the (French) pirate ship METAVILLA (whats being pointed at in Venice this year? - easa.antville.org ) to witnessing first hand, listening to and archiving Lucien Kroll: Moments D`Architectures (http://easa.antville.org/stories/1488710/ ) , which talked about the base of architectureand ecology (the relationship between things), to a healthier "participative bottom up" approach to architecture, planning, society instead of the present which, it was argued, leads to cities burning as we saw in Paris earlier this year in the riots, when communities, people and place are bypassed for profit.
earlier audio with Lucien Kroll talking about this "bottom up planning and architecture which does not exist today"
listen to Luciens half hour intro to "From Bauhaus to our uncles house: eco decolonisation"
radio.indymedia.org
ill keep you posted about progress in this project, as best I can, and I hope that you can manage to understand this difficult and complex situation, and from that support us in this struggle. Its not only a struggle here in Pouble Nou, its about what quality of life people have in other places, its about people taking control of their lives, their communities, their space, their existence.
This is the next stage in the "spiritual ecological revolution" ( easa.antville.org ) which is working toward simply a healthy and sustainable existence for all.
We are working with ASF (architects sans frontiers)http://www.asfit.org/it/index.php
all info from the occupation of Can Ricart by Makabra, in English
barcelona.indymedia.org
listen to hours of audio; music, interviews and sounds from the ocupation
Makabra audio : el arte de okupacion : the art of occupation
barcelona.indymedia.org
message from Manu Chao to the squatters:
HOLA A TOD@S
DESGRACIADAMENTE
ESTOY AHORA BIEN LEJOS DE BARCELONA
Y NO PUEDO ESTAR PRESENTE CON VOSOTR@S
PARA PROTESTAR CONTRA EL ABSURDO DESALOJAMIENTO
DE LA MAKABRA...
...QUÉ VERGÜENZA...
...QUÉ FALTA DE CIVISMO...
...QUÉ FALTA DE LUCIDEZ PENSANDO
EN CÓMO TENDRÍA QUE DESAROLLARSE EL ARTE Y LA CULTURA
EN CATALUNYA...ESTOS PRÓXIMOS AÑOS...
...DESALOJAR LA MAKABRA ES UN ACTO BRUTO Y DE AGRESIÓN
A LA CULTURA DEL FUTURO DE ESTE PAÍS...
... UN FUTURO EN EL QUE LOS POLÍTICOS QUE MANDAN HOY EN DÍA
NO ESTARÍAN...YA QUE RETIRADOS...Y VIVIENDO DE SUS RENTAS...
...
...ESTEMOS Tod@S UNIDOS PARA ENCONTRAR SOLUCIONES
EN VISTA DE ENCONTRAR UN NUEVO ESPACIO PARA LA MAKABRA...
...PARA ENCONTRAR NUEVOS CAMINOS, LIBRES E INDEPENDIENTES
PARA LA CULTURA Y LAS JUVENTUDES DE CATALUNYA...
DESDE TIJUANA, BAJA CALIFORNIA
MANU CHAO
www.manuchao.net
audios
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
dunk
audio from the ocupation:
_________________________________________________________________________
interviews with people about the situation;
occupation, squat support from the UN, background into speculation 22@ and the Peuble Nou barrio, the community stance and support groups, what this ocupation might lead to...
Emilios views, one of the neighbours who came to last nights assembly speaks his mind.
radio.indymedia.org
UN housing officer meets Makabra in Can Ricart
radio.indymedia.org
Poble Nou and speculation part 1
radio.indymedia.org
Poble Nou and speculation part 2
radio.indymedia.org
people starting to wake up, what this Makabra maigical spark might lead to...
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
the Makabra funeral procession
crying girls at makabra funeral procession
radio.indymedia.org
makabra wake, sounds from the procession 1
radio.indymedia.org
makabra wake, sounds from the procession 2
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
music outside the gates of the Can Ricart factory
drumming at the gates
radio.indymedia.org
reggae at the gates
radio.indymedia.org
talk at the gates - hallelujiea
radio.indymedia.org
chanting at the gates - carer mos mas
radio.indymedia.org
sounds from the crowd at the gates
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
inside the gates
gates opened, sounds from the newly occupied Can Ricart factory
inside the gates - makabra okupa music
radio.indymedia.org
inside the gates - makabra accordian and flute reggae
radio.indymedia.org
inside the gates - makabra Can Ricart bello chao
radio.indymedia.org
inside the gates - makabra Can Ricart bom
radio.indymedia.org
inside the gates - makabra fire in babylon
radio.indymedia.org
inside the gates - makabra human sound system
radio.indymedia.org
inside the gates - libertad hip hop
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
later on in the occupation
comida, we have food
radio.indymedia.org
cops create tension at gate when makabra say hi to amigos outside
radio.indymedia.org
cops leave friends arrive into okupa
radio.indymedia.org.
banjolin music at fire, relaxing after the siege
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
earlier audio:
_________________________________________________________________________
audio from the eviction:
1 - when the last bit of the makabra circus roof came down
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
audio from the manifestations in placa Jaume
makabra musicians, placa Jaume, start of the street circus, musicians play while a girl dances to the music waving a large red flag
radio.indymedia.org
makabra musicians 2 and the MC speaks to the crowd
radio.indymedia.org
makabra musicians 3, the girl with the guitar
radio.indymedia.org
makabra musicians 4, girl sings "girona" and crowd joins in
radio.indymedia.org
makabra musicians 5, the orchestra plays gentle under the conductors dancing
radio.indymedia.org
makabra musicians 6, the orchestra raise the tempo
radio.indymedia.org
sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhuuuuutttttt, time to depart
radio.indymedia.org
crowd chants "otre okupacion"
radio.indymedia.org
always drinking marching band, night 2
radio.indymedia.org
night 3, african drumming and dancing
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
related Barcelona squat info
_________________________________________________________________________
3 part audio interview, in spanish and english, with some of the Pallars squatters
audio part 1 : (6 minutes - english)
"pallars , mondays battle to resist the false eviction"
interview with J.
radio.indymedia.org
audio part 2 : (22 minutes - english)
"backround to palllars squat, the legal situation, Peuble Nou: resisting speculation of @22"
interview with J. and Y.
radio.indymedia.org
audio part 3 : (6 minutes - english)
improving the squatter network, homeless and political
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
Makabra film screening from streets of Gracia
manifesto read in gracia, after nightime street screening
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
related infos
Barcelona: 3 early morning raids on 3 squats, including MAKABRA
radio.indymedia.org
Makabra : the art of occupation : el arte de okupacion
radio.indymedia.org
indymedia.ie - indymedia ireland thread with ever helpful commentry from barcelona resident iosaf.
building up the RADICAL radio network
indymedia.ie
Revolt video collective (ireland)
revoltvideo.blogspot.com
im writing to you from a very special place in a very special time; new MAKABRA @ Can Ricart, Pueble Nou, Barcelona
after a profoundly creative, artistic, political, architectural act has combined to create a point in time which i believe has sparked the beginnings of a truly participative architecture to emerge and a space has been (illegaly) created to facilitate the dialogue and space for that dialogue to lead to an actual built reality. In fact that reality is being constructed and built as i write to you.
Makabra ( www.lamakabra.org ) have just produced a little bit of magic, entering and occupying the old Can Ricart factory ( www.salvemcanricart.org )in the Pouble Nou Barrio of Barcelona, where 70 years ago the CNT trucks left from to attempt to build a better world ( struggle.ws ). Now its Makabra´s turn to add to the unfolding story of creativity, passion and the love of life. In Barcelonas newspapers this has been front page news since Saturday.
Their struggle also has has the support of the UN commisioner for housing, Miloon Kothari, who said "I think your struggle is just, what your doing is correct, I´d just request you to be peaceful.... and keep performing." ( barcelona.indymedia.org )
Viva Makabra
Weaving together many strands of life here in Barcelona (community, squat, circus, political, media, humour, history, story telling) they now have a lovley new home and complete support from the ever helpful neighbours. Their struggle also has has the support of the UN commisioner for housing, Miloon Kothari, who said "I think your struggle is just, what your doing is correct, I´d just request you to be peaceful.... and keep performing." ( barcelona.indymedia.org )
This the culmination of what has for me personally been a profound but amazing quarter year architectural journey or battle, from heading to the architecutural bienalle in Venice to "confront" the architectural world (see Cities, radical urbanism, sqatting, social centres - radio.indymedia.org ) to meeting with my old friends from France and living with them in the french Pavillion, METAVILLA (
Onboard the (French) pirate ship METAVILLA (whats being pointed at in Venice this year? - easa.antville.org ) to witnessing first hand, listening to and archiving Lucien Kroll: Moments D`Architectures (http://easa.antville.org/stories/1488710/ ) , which talked about the base of architectureand ecology (the relationship between things), to a healthier "participative bottom up" approach to architecture, planning, society instead of the present which, it was argued, leads to cities burning as we saw in Paris earlier this year in the riots, when communities, people and place are bypassed for profit.
earlier audio with Lucien Kroll talking about this "bottom up planning and architecture which does not exist today"
listen to Luciens half hour intro to "From Bauhaus to our uncles house: eco decolonisation"
radio.indymedia.org
ill keep you posted about progress in this project, as best I can, and I hope that you can manage to understand this difficult and complex situation, and from that support us in this struggle. Its not only a struggle here in Pouble Nou, its about what quality of life people have in other places, its about people taking control of their lives, their communities, their space, their existence.
This is the next stage in the "spiritual ecological revolution" ( easa.antville.org ) which is working toward simply a healthy and sustainable existence for all.
We are working with ASF (architects sans frontiers)http://www.asfit.org/it/index.php
all info from the occupation of Can Ricart by Makabra, in English
barcelona.indymedia.org
listen to hours of audio; music, interviews and sounds from the ocupation
Makabra audio : el arte de okupacion : the art of occupation
barcelona.indymedia.org
message from Manu Chao to the squatters:
HOLA A TOD@S
DESGRACIADAMENTE
ESTOY AHORA BIEN LEJOS DE BARCELONA
Y NO PUEDO ESTAR PRESENTE CON VOSOTR@S
PARA PROTESTAR CONTRA EL ABSURDO DESALOJAMIENTO
DE LA MAKABRA...
...QUÉ VERGÜENZA...
...QUÉ FALTA DE CIVISMO...
...QUÉ FALTA DE LUCIDEZ PENSANDO
EN CÓMO TENDRÍA QUE DESAROLLARSE EL ARTE Y LA CULTURA
EN CATALUNYA...ESTOS PRÓXIMOS AÑOS...
...DESALOJAR LA MAKABRA ES UN ACTO BRUTO Y DE AGRESIÓN
A LA CULTURA DEL FUTURO DE ESTE PAÍS...
... UN FUTURO EN EL QUE LOS POLÍTICOS QUE MANDAN HOY EN DÍA
NO ESTARÍAN...YA QUE RETIRADOS...Y VIVIENDO DE SUS RENTAS...
...
...ESTEMOS Tod@S UNIDOS PARA ENCONTRAR SOLUCIONES
EN VISTA DE ENCONTRAR UN NUEVO ESPACIO PARA LA MAKABRA...
...PARA ENCONTRAR NUEVOS CAMINOS, LIBRES E INDEPENDIENTES
PARA LA CULTURA Y LAS JUVENTUDES DE CATALUNYA...
DESDE TIJUANA, BAJA CALIFORNIA
MANU CHAO
www.manuchao.net
audios
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
dunk
audio from the ocupation:
_________________________________________________________________________
interviews with people about the situation;
occupation, squat support from the UN, background into speculation 22@ and the Peuble Nou barrio, the community stance and support groups, what this ocupation might lead to...
Emilios views, one of the neighbours who came to last nights assembly speaks his mind.
radio.indymedia.org
UN housing officer meets Makabra in Can Ricart
radio.indymedia.org
Poble Nou and speculation part 1
radio.indymedia.org
Poble Nou and speculation part 2
radio.indymedia.org
people starting to wake up, what this Makabra maigical spark might lead to...
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
the Makabra funeral procession
crying girls at makabra funeral procession
radio.indymedia.org
makabra wake, sounds from the procession 1
radio.indymedia.org
makabra wake, sounds from the procession 2
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
music outside the gates of the Can Ricart factory
drumming at the gates
radio.indymedia.org
reggae at the gates
radio.indymedia.org
talk at the gates - hallelujiea
radio.indymedia.org
chanting at the gates - carer mos mas
radio.indymedia.org
sounds from the crowd at the gates
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
inside the gates
gates opened, sounds from the newly occupied Can Ricart factory
inside the gates - makabra okupa music
radio.indymedia.org
inside the gates - makabra accordian and flute reggae
radio.indymedia.org
inside the gates - makabra Can Ricart bello chao
radio.indymedia.org
inside the gates - makabra Can Ricart bom
radio.indymedia.org
inside the gates - makabra fire in babylon
radio.indymedia.org
inside the gates - makabra human sound system
radio.indymedia.org
inside the gates - libertad hip hop
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
later on in the occupation
comida, we have food
radio.indymedia.org
cops create tension at gate when makabra say hi to amigos outside
radio.indymedia.org
cops leave friends arrive into okupa
radio.indymedia.org.
banjolin music at fire, relaxing after the siege
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
earlier audio:
_________________________________________________________________________
audio from the eviction:
1 - when the last bit of the makabra circus roof came down
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
audio from the manifestations in placa Jaume
makabra musicians, placa Jaume, start of the street circus, musicians play while a girl dances to the music waving a large red flag
radio.indymedia.org
makabra musicians 2 and the MC speaks to the crowd
radio.indymedia.org
makabra musicians 3, the girl with the guitar
radio.indymedia.org
makabra musicians 4, girl sings "girona" and crowd joins in
radio.indymedia.org
makabra musicians 5, the orchestra plays gentle under the conductors dancing
radio.indymedia.org
makabra musicians 6, the orchestra raise the tempo
radio.indymedia.org
sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhuuuuutttttt, time to depart
radio.indymedia.org
crowd chants "otre okupacion"
radio.indymedia.org
always drinking marching band, night 2
radio.indymedia.org
night 3, african drumming and dancing
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
related Barcelona squat info
_________________________________________________________________________
3 part audio interview, in spanish and english, with some of the Pallars squatters
audio part 1 : (6 minutes - english)
"pallars , mondays battle to resist the false eviction"
interview with J.
radio.indymedia.org
audio part 2 : (22 minutes - english)
"backround to palllars squat, the legal situation, Peuble Nou: resisting speculation of @22"
interview with J. and Y.
radio.indymedia.org
audio part 3 : (6 minutes - english)
improving the squatter network, homeless and political
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
Makabra film screening from streets of Gracia
manifesto read in gracia, after nightime street screening
radio.indymedia.org
_________________________________________________________________________
related infos
Barcelona: 3 early morning raids on 3 squats, including MAKABRA
radio.indymedia.org
Makabra : the art of occupation : el arte de okupacion
radio.indymedia.org
indymedia.ie - indymedia ireland thread with ever helpful commentry from barcelona resident iosaf.
building up the RADICAL radio network
indymedia.ie
Revolt video collective (ireland)
revoltvideo.blogspot.com
duncan, Wednesday, 6. December 2006, 12:54
again EASA have moved this article of profound "architectural" relevance, a little explanation would be not too much to ask for..we hope to hear from the architectural youth of Europe, in fact we'd like them to participate in this project to help build a healthier "architectural world", all things can be improved.
regards,
dunk
sennahoj, Thursday, 7. December 2006, 00:44
Re: a little explanation would be not too much to ask for..hi dunc
of course a little explanation isn't too much to ask, so
i'll just give you a rough overview and forgive me for not going into
any length of detail, as this discussion is just getting tiresome
( even though we might not have had it for some time now, but the answer, i give you now, is an overall consensus, not just my personal opinion )
again and again your attempts to "stir up" the "architectural community of easa" have proven futile, to say the least..
they didn't in any possible way succeed, actually, mostly they have proven to be in direct contrast to easa's non-political attitude, however much these principles might contradict your personal and/or political views.
this just really points out your distance from the easa-community, imho!
in more than one discussion on incm/easa level-discussion, it was decided to let you have your ways, by putting things onto the blog, just to then simply put them off the frontpage.
not only that, but it was also suggested to let anyone post a multitude of "stories" afterwards,
just simply to let your stories fade away.
this was a general easa decision!
( please try to let this sink in and try to imagine why people, who did know you, reached this decision !)
so you are of course welcomed to post stories onto the webblog, just do feel reminded that your opinion is no longer welcomed,
nor in any way asked for, by the easa community, at least not, that i ( among many others ) am aware of it.
i, johannes (former german nc, and guilty of many shortcomings towards the easa-community ) will continue to put any of your
stories offline (as in off the frontpage), that are not specifically architecurally orientated, and even the slightest neglect,
like commenting myriads of links and/or pointing towards political organisations will have the aforementioned effect.
any of your comments will from now on be ignored, as the aforementioned decision, has been reached years before.
please direct any of your following comments toward any following easa-event.
regards
johannes
duncan, Thursday, 7. December 2006, 13:47
ill continue doing my ark work, perhaps later people will contribute to the discussion and actionUN support for this architectural action here in barca
click
indymedia.ie
to enlarge and read
from la vanguard paper in barca, other info
indymedia.ie
nawale, Thursday, 7. December 2006, 18:39
I'm surprised by this visit, because I knew that the EU Housing Ministers’ meeting in Barcelona (16-17 October 2006) has been cancelled by the Spanish government. It wastes an excellent opportunity to dialogue and deal decisively with the housing crisis which is currently affecting all European countries. en.habitants.org
www.viviendadigna.org
Besos de BCN ;-)
duncan, Thursday, 7. December 2006, 20:35
hi, thanks for the links, ill look more into them; rejecting neo liberalism in cities, good to see more critical architectural and social views on urban systemsKothari slated the spanish government on the way they have allowed speculation to drive things out of control
Vídeo de l'estada del relator de la ONU, Miloon Kothari, a Can Ricard amb Lamakabrai+
Vídeo de l'estada del relator de la ONU, Miloon Kothari, a Can Ricard amb Lamakabrai+:
www.blip.tv
El relator de la ONU, a Can Ricart
barcelona.indymedia.org
and
barcelona.indymedia.org
for more info on barca speculation see
barcelona.indymedia.org
there should be a very few interesting days and weeks in the new makabra at can ricart over the next while, architects sans frontiers are in direct contact and discussions are underway for bottom up planning project with the locals, many of them have been here a lot to support and fully behind the occupation.
perhaps you and more of the barca easa crew will join in?
barca really rocks, love it here
dunk
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can i get one pleasssssse?
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Sold out, okay!
First i'm gonna get back from Serbia and then book something or... do something :-)
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